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Trump / Hannity interview: The transcript shows ignorance of the border crisis



An interview of Sean Hannity with Donald Trump is always a curious spectacle because the interviewer has rejected journalistic ethics and the subject has no qualms about lying, so the whole thing has the atmosphere of a news program but the essence of a drama partially improvised And the surprising thing about the Trump / Hannity interview on Thursday night on the border between Mexico and the US. UU Near McAllen, Texas, is the simplicity of the script and interpretation.

Even when faced with some of the most notorious softball questions of all time, Trump is barely coherent: he can not describe in detail what exactly he wants, he can not cite any specific legal authority for a possible emergency declaration option and can not describe what such an operation would really allow him to achieve.

The only subject in which Trump shows any real passion is the perfidy of the "false news" of the media: the perfidy he tells Hannity he met when he saw an earlier episode of the Hannity show.

The man whose whims plunged the nation into a massive crisis that has air traffic controllers working without pay, FBI agents worry that the ongoing investigations should be abandoned, the Joshua Tree National Park be irreparably damaged and the Food inspections have no idea why.

Trump can not explain exactly what he is proposing.

A critical question in any political negotiation is what the two parties want. The point of view of the Democrats is quite clear: they want to reopen the government and then let the negotiations on any additional wall building request move down a different path. Trump, on the other hand, insists that the government must remain closed until it gets away with it.

But what do you want, exactly? Trump I can not say at all. It seems he recognizes that, in fact, he is not going to build the 2,000-mile wall that the campaign carried out by claiming that if the particular border patch in front of him was walled, then Border Patrol personnel could be redistributed into another place. But what wall are we talking about? And where? And at what cost? Trump does not know.

Sean: There is no barrier. All those drugs come in if these guys can not cover every inch of the 2,000 miles.

Triumph: It's okay. They have easy access to the United States. We build many walls. We have renovated a large amount of wall with the money that we have already achieved. And we follow that. But now we just want to start it and finish it. We will build the new wall. And it's common sense. It really is when you think about it, whether you find yourself in the world of law enforcement like these amazing people behind us who understand the wall so easily, I mean they would do their job much better. And they could also go to other areas because where you have the wall you do not need so many people. We would probably pay that many times in a year if you think about it. Only many times. So, it's not a money thing. It is a political thing. They watch the race of 2020 and, not feeling so good about it, they will do what they can to win.

In fact, later in the interview, Trump seems to recognize that the presence or absence of a physical barrier has very little to do with the main argument of the immigration policy that takes place in Washington.

"I do not know how he recovers after losing a child killed by illegal immigrants," Hannity observes, as if it were easy to recover from a murder of his son by a US-born American. "I have met and interviewed so many moms and daddies angel".

Trump exposes this issue further, touching on the White House's general argument that the law of the United States is too generous for asylum seekers.

Death is spilling. Not only at the border. They arrive across the border. They go and filter in the country. You were gangs from the MS-13 in different places like Los Angeles and they have gangs all over Long Island, which we're hitting. There should not be any reason for us to have to do. This should not be allowed. If we had the barrier, they would not be allowed to enter.

Trump's implication that Central American asylum seekers are all members of dangerous gangs is a grotesque blood libel and it is sad for the United States how it has become mainstream. But for closing purposes, the key point is the one Trump himself makes here: asylum seekers. It is allowed to enter because applying for asylum is legal. The White House says it wants the relevant laws. But with the unauthorized immigration from Mexico dramatically from where I was 15 or 20 years ago, this search for asylum, and not the people who cross the border, is the core of the debate. The wall is irrelevant.

And yet, Trump is also prepared to argue that it is a kind of emergency.

Trump can not explain his emergency plan.

As the partial closure resonates in its third week, there is a growing consensus in Washington that Trump will get out of the jam to assert some kind of emergency power in the construction of walls that turns this into a fight with the courts and that Trump reopens the government. Without seeming to retreat.

But when Hannity presents this option, presumably so that Trump can defend the case, the president can not be disturbed to explain what powers he is talking about affirming or why (perhaps I should read Emily Stewart's explanation). Trump says he is "allowed to do so," which means he must declare an emergency, but can not describe what law allows him to do it or what such a statement would allow him to do. It just starts to wander.

Hannity: You said earlier today that you are likely to declare a national emergency. How soon would that happen?

Triumph: If we do not make a deal with Congress, it's likely that he will do what he would really say he would do. I can not imagine any reason why not, because I have permission to do it. The law is 100 percent on my side. So, if we can not reach an agreement with Congress, we should be able to reach an agreement with Congress. If you look, the Democrats in Congress, especially the new ones that are coming in, start to say wait a minute, we can not win this battle with Trump due to the fact that it's just common sense. How can we say that a wall does not work? They show empty fields and people running in helicopters. And you put a wall, you can not get through it.

Then Hannity tries to help him with a specific idea, maybe through an emergency declaration he could use the money from the Department of Defense to build a wall. But Trump deviates immediately and starts talking about wheels.

Hannity: However, if a national emergency is declared, what are the options? The Pentagon also has funds available that could help support the construction of the wall.

Triumph: If we do not make a deal with Congress, we should be able to do it. Really just common sense and some commitment is needed and, look, they know that the wall is working. Do you know what works? A tire. And a wall. They call it a medieval thing. Well, you know, I'm seeing all these very expensive cars everywhere loaded with machine guns and each of them has wheels. A wheel is an old thing. There are two things that work. A wall would be so effective. It would solve so many murders and so much death and drugs and human trafficking. Where women are hit in the face. They are taped and placed in the back of a car or truck and drive across our border.

I'm not entirely sure what Trump is talking about here, but more to the point Trump is not sure what Hannity is talking about That's why he started rambling about this. And yet, Trump is the key decision maker in this crisis. Then a pity party is launched.

Trump is not aware of others.

More than a million people live in households that depend on a federal paycheck that will not arrive tomorrow due to Donald Trump's legislative tactics. Children can not go to the zoo, pilots are concerned about the security of the aviation system, companies that rely on timely economic data are flying blind, services for Native Americans are about to be completely decomposed and the economic consequences only proliferate if several omitted payment checks lead to loan defaults and cascading problems.

Meanwhile, Trump lost his usual Christmas vacation at a luxurious beach resort:

Triumph: They know what I am saying 100 percent correct. It's not just us, it's all those who say it, they all say it. If you do not have a barrier, be it a steel barrier or a concrete wall, substantial and strong, you will never solve this problem. You will never solve and I do not need. This look, could have done something much easier. I could have enjoyed myself. I have not left the white house because I'm waiting for them to come in a long time. You know it. I stayed at home for Christmas. I stayed in the white house for the New Year.

Hannity: I think you tweeted Christmas Eve alone, where are Chuck and Nancy?

Triumph: My family, I told them to stay in Florida and have fun. The fact is, I want to be in Washington. I mean, I consider it very, very important.

But this is the crux of the matter. The he does not Consider this issue very important. It is not important enough for him to offer the Democrats some substance in a legislative exchange, and it is not important enough that he has bothered to learn something about it or even develop a specific proposal. It is imposing huge costs on a large number of people, but personally it is not suffering more than the indignity of being in the White House.

And he is so unconscious that he actually organized a party of compassion in the midst of all the problems he is causing. There is no apology here for the inconveniences followed by an explanation of why he is doing it. Because he does not regret it. He wants us to feel sorry for him. And that is somehow the most disturbing of all.


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