When dr. Remote interviews were still a novelty when Anthony Fauci and “Sunday Morning” special contributor Ted Koppel met on camera for the first time, and the nation was fixated on a global epidemic called HIV-AIDS. Koppel, then ABC’s “Nightline,” asked Fauci, “What hope do you have about some kind of vaccine?”
He said, “Two vaccines are in phase one trials to determine safety, but it won’t do well in the 1990s, if we’re lucky enough to have a vaccine. It won’t be until at least 1995,” he replied.
Even 33 years ago, Fauci had a wide national following, but mostly among AIDS activists who were often highly valued; And he had not yet inspired any videos, T-shirts, coffee mugs or suggestions of an imminent saint, as he has done recently.
“Oh, my goodness,” said Fausi, when he was shown a particularly saintly figure of himself. “When our sisters in our Guadalupe woman in Brooklyn are wandering in their tomb, when they see that!”
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And then there’s a July 22 Sinclair Broadcasting video, “America This Week”, in which a former chronic fatigue syndrome researcher, Dr. Judy Mikovits claimed, “I believe Dr. Fauci created the Coronavirus.”
“You know, Ted, I think this is a dramatic example of division in our country,” Fauci said. “We have completely distorted and scientists are throwing facts and evidence aside. And a certain part of the country has considered the fake news aspect a hoax.”
“The other half was longing for clarity, longing for the facts, longing for the truth. So, for better or worse, for one reason or other, I became a symbol that was unreal. St. Anthony Like. You know, it’s kinda, okay. Great, but it’s not reality.
“On the other hand, I have people who have threatened my life because I am speaking public health measures,” Fauci said.
Koppel said, “We’ve got some video of you and your wife running with security detail. It came to that?”
“Yes. Yes. It came. I have started such enmity that I have federal agents, armed federal agents, with me, all the time.”
“Your children are threatened?”
“I have to tell you, I’m not afraid for myself,” Fauci said. “But the thing that really bothers me is the harassment, continual harassment of my three daughters. People who know who they are, where they live, know what their telephone number is, I know they work. It affects me. “
Koppel said, “Let’s talk about us, about America. Here we are, we’ve got 4% of the world’s population. There have been two million deaths worldwide. If we had our share, we’d have 80,000.” Happen. ”
“That’s a lot … we have Five times That number. ”
“We are an outrageous failure, Tony.”
“Uh, huh. Yes, because of that, Ted, I don’t think I can articulate them all, but some of them stand out to me because I’ve lived through them. You can’t have mixed messages . You can’t have politicization of public health messages. I mean, the idea that wearing a mask or not has become a political statement? It’s beyond difficult to implement a good public health measure. “
Koppel said, “You have a very expressive face. And there’s a moment – you’ll immediately know what I’m talking about – in the White House press room. I want you to finally reveal that What was happening through your head during the briefing. “
“Well,” said Fauci, “I think you are referring to the time when we were in a situation where we are talking about hydroxychloroquine”:
President Trump: “It can work, can’t work. I feel good about it. It’s all, just a feeling. You know, smart guy.”
“And he was talking about there and I just, I think I went like that (puts hands to face).”
“I did it spontaneously. And I was just telling myself, Oh God!, And unfortunately it became a worldwide picture. “
“People have come to a point where they don’t understand this about President Trump: He could actually be an exceptionally attractive person,” Koppa said.
“Yes. You’re right,” Fauci said. “He is a charismatic person. I got along with him very, very well. But I was not happy to correct the obvious misrepresentation in medicine and science.”
Fauci: “I’m not entirely sure what the president was talking about …”
“It is angry, I think, that his employees, his loyal employees, were even more angry in some cases. So, when things started going in the wrong direction.”
President Trump: “They’ve got this high approval rating. So, why don’t I have a high approval rating with respect – and administration – regarding the virus?”
“So, the relationship got a little sinister. And then, when I see him in the Oval Office, everything will be alright.
“And then, we had that famous time when people were chanting ‘Fire Fauci! Fire Fauci’.” And he said ‘Hey, it’s not a bad idea. I think I will do it. “
President Trump: “Don’t tell anyone, but let me wait a little bit after the election. He’s very wrong. He’s a good man, though, he’s doing a lot of wrong.”
Koppel asked, “With more consistent leadership, we could have saved a lot of lives. Is this a fair statement?”
“Yes, I believe it,” Fauci answered. “I mean, I think if we had public health messages – from the top right down to the people in the trenches – be consistent, it might be that things would have been different. In fact, I’m pretty sure That they would be. Various. “
This is a measure of the durability of Tony Fauci, who at the age of 80, took on a new title, working for Joe Biden – his seventh president – as its chief medical adviser.
“What we’re going to see in the next months is more part of a coordinated, synergistic partnership between the federal government and the states,” Fauci said. “Therefore, I believe that when the federal government and the state start working together, we can see a change in attitude. ‘
“Yes, but, I mean you’re already talking and you’ve experienced your own remorse, the poison of partiality that exists. He’s not going away, Tony.”
“Well, no, it’s not. We average for about 200,000 to 300,000 infections a day, about 3,000 to 4,000 rupees a day; I mean, you have to look at those numbers and say, ‘We’ll have some Have to be separated. “”
“Your first big challenge is to be able to get the weapons vaccinated,” Koppel said.
“Things are getting better right now; but they are going to get a lot better because President Biden has made it clear that this is his top priority. You know the goal that has been set, which I believe is absolutely Is achievable, has 100 million people vaccinated in the first 100 days … primary and boost. “
“In 100 days?”
“You think you’re preparing yourself for disaster if you don’t meet that goal?” Asked Koppel.
“Of course, and that’s one of the things that was kind of refreshing in the first briefing with President Biden and Vice President Harris, is that he said, ‘We might have setbacks. But you know when that happens Are we going to do? Are we not going to have fingers. We are not going to blame people. We are not going to hide anything. We are going to be completely transparent and honest and we are going to try and Fixing it. “”
“We have a four-year-old, Tony, from above – eroding confidence in all our institutions: intelligence, FBI, media, science. It’s been an epidemic of its kind, hasn’t it?”
“It is,” Fauci said. “And we have repaired it. We have to be at stake for the country.”
“Did you get any idea on how to start? There is no vaccination for this.”
“No, there is no vaccination. But I think maybe we have to show by example that uniting is so much better than being divisive, because divisions really failed. I mean, it failed us in every way.” Has been doing.”
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Story produced by Dustin Stephens. Editor: Steven Tyler.